Oh it's this fucking post. Convenient how the responses and details are omitted... y'know such as the fact that the on-paper reasoning is purely from an socio-economic stand-point, due to the North pressuring the South to 'abandon inefficient slavery' while hypocritically engaging in the same, and lying.
Moreover the actual Southern troops weren't fighting FOR slavery or slaves, but for a conceived notion of rights and independence from the Yankees, and when the war dragged on, many soldiers realized they were being tricked into killing for rich folk.
Moreover, even if we assume the general and meaningless statement of "it was becuz slavery" then we still ignore that A) That is not a justification for widespread rape, looting and burning of cities B) This does not stop making most people in the South proletarians, and does not stop the fact that 90% of people in the South did not own any slaves and their racism was promoted by society. The fact that proles there like the confederacy comes down to a romantic idea of the South fighting for freedom. Thus screaming in the faces of Southern people as being somehow inherently bad will lead to them being pushed to the right-wing, despite many groups like Red Necks being originally left-leaning.
"but for a conceived notion of rights and independence from the Yankees" What rights in particular? Especially ones they were willing to die over? It really does seem that the biggest reason, by far, for the war to begin was slavery.
>What Rights Before the Union, the states were much looser and had the right to secede. In other words, they thought they were fighting for freedom from federal oppression from what amounted to Northern foreigners. Slavery was a part of it, but was more an economic reason than a direct moral-fag "muh niggers r stoopid" dumbassery.
Like I said in my prior post in the confederate threads; the majority of people in the South outside slave relying plantation bourgs, including people like General Lee, were not of high opinion of negros but also were more in support of "sending them back" and not being especially involved. The lynchings and racism really picked up in the South precisely because of the North's treatement of the South because it was quite easy for Porky to deflect it into "it's cause of the blacks" and so spurned and attacked the South turned it's spite and hatred of the North onto African-Americans because it was the bourg scapegoat, leading to the racist attitudes that permeated until the Civil Rights movement.
This isn't a justification for racism or something, but a material fact; TL;DR: Slaves/former Slaves were a scapegaot for the bourgeoisie, with the North using them as a reason to bully the South and the South using them as the reason for why the North was attacking their free rights. Nobody wants to be told what to do by some random Bigwig stranger who hypocritically uses slaves themselves.
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Oh it's this fucking post. Convenient how the responses and details are omitted... y'know such as the fact that the on-paper reasoning is purely from an socio-economic stand-point, due to the North pressuring the South to 'abandon inefficient slavery' while hypocritically engaging in the same, and lying.
Moreover the actual Southern troops weren't fighting FOR slavery or slaves, but for a conceived notion of rights and independence from the Yankees, and when the war dragged on, many soldiers realized they were being tricked into killing for rich folk.
Moreover, even if we assume the general and meaningless statement of "it was becuz slavery" then we still ignore that
A) That is not a justification for widespread rape, looting and burning of cities
B) This does not stop making most people in the South proletarians, and does not stop the fact that 90% of people in the South did not own any slaves and their racism was promoted by society. The fact that proles there like the confederacy comes down to a romantic idea of the South fighting for freedom.
Thus screaming in the faces of Southern people as being somehow inherently bad will lead to them being pushed to the right-wing, despite many groups like Red Necks being originally left-leaning.
"but for a conceived notion of rights and independence from the Yankees"
What rights in particular? Especially ones they were willing to die over? It really does seem that the biggest reason, by far, for the war to begin was slavery.
>What Rights
Before the Union, the states were much looser and had the right to secede. In other words, they thought they were fighting for freedom from federal oppression from what amounted to Northern foreigners. Slavery was a part of it, but was more an economic reason than a direct moral-fag "muh niggers r stoopid" dumbassery.
Like I said in my prior post in the confederate threads; the majority of people in the South outside slave relying plantation bourgs, including people like General Lee, were not of high opinion of negros but also were more in support of "sending them back" and not being especially involved. The lynchings and racism really picked up in the South precisely because of the North's treatement of the South because it was quite easy for Porky to deflect it into "it's cause of the blacks" and so spurned and attacked the South turned it's spite and hatred of the North onto African-Americans because it was the bourg scapegoat, leading to the racist attitudes that permeated until the Civil Rights movement.
This isn't a justification for racism or something, but a material fact; TL;DR: Slaves/former Slaves were a scapegaot for the bourgeoisie, with the North using them as a reason to bully the South and the South using them as the reason for why the North was attacking their free rights. Nobody wants to be told what to do by some random Bigwig stranger who hypocritically uses slaves themselves.